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Tell me if I'm wrong
Am I right to think there's a difference in the house between these two pictures (1962 and 1980s)?
I think I heard the toilet extension had been built at a rather later stage (but when?)
29/10/2014. This is what Jo added concerning the first picture:
The picture of Helene and you beside the ferns was taken from the back door of No. 9. I am pretty certain that the toilet extension, as you call it, wasn't built until quite some time after that. It was definitely not before 1962 when I left home.
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Yes, I think AB's right about the fact that the B&W photo wasn't taken from n°9's back door. But I don't think I agree that it's taken from n°9 and therefore showing n°7... The angle of the house doesn't seem right. I believe it's the same angle as the colour photo from the 1980s, and that the window we see on the B&W one is of n°9's dining room. There's even a little bit of the window above the sink in the kitchen. So this would mean that this B&W pic would have been taken before the loo extension had been built...
Other opinions?
3Aunty BSaturday 3rd January 2015 at 13:40Oh yes, the black and white photo was taken before the extension.
The colour photo is of the extension to 9 Derwent. Where else would you stand to take a photo of it but from Auntie O's side of the ferns which bridged both properties when the old fence was removed. Remember when you used to go into Auntie O's from No 9 - It wasn't via the back gate.....it was round the remainder of the fence that had the ivy on it. You'd pass her (dreadful outside loo) on your right, to get to her back door!
4Aunty BSaturday 3rd January 2015 at 13:43...and I think both views are of 9 Derwent from a similar angle....before the extension and afterwards.
Completely agree! Hm... I think I almost never went in AO's outside loo, all I remember from the rare times I must have gone in was how cold it was.
6Aunty BSaturday 3rd January 2015 at 17:59Were the upstairs loos in operation when you started living at 9DR, by the way? Or was there a time when the only option was to use the outside ones?
8Aunty BSunday 4th January 2015 at 13:27Oh dear, to only have an outside loo would have been pretty awful. You would have to go back a bit more than the 1900's urban houses or be in the country, to only have a loo outside.
The upstairs toilet was separate to the bathroom. Nowadays they are usually integrated - a much better arrangement. Even so, for all of it's life the toilet in No 9 was never upgraded alas, and the lincrusta wallpaper, originally varnished, and that was painted over at some stage in its existance, bore the marks of our finger nails, that punched-in the embossed 'flower petals'...... as far as we could reach (!!) I don't think more than a very few escaped the decorative desecration of the walls surrounding the loo!
Thanks dear AB for these details! OK, so you always knew the upstairs loo then: but was the kitchen one used? Or did everybody go upstairs?
Unfortunately I don't recall these punched-in petals in the toilets...! What I do remember though was the very thick wooden toilet seat, something which we at home were not accustomed to; we only had hard plastic.
10Aunty BMonday 5th January 2015 at 11:26Oh, we used the outside loo alright, handy if you were a long time in the garden, but not terribly often; there were too many spiders' webs. At least it had a little skirting board type radiator. Daddy kept the toilet seat varnished from time to time, goodness know why. One day when I was very little, nobody told me he had just varnished it again and it was still wet. I was stuck to it till someone rescued me! One of my sisters' pranks no doubt!
I wonder if the varnishing had anything to do with the injunction to lift the seat when peeing?!! He was very strict about that and very angry when some guilty drops were spotted!
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Well, if the black and white photo was taken from the back door of 9 Derwent it wouldn't show any windows. There'd just be a blank wall possibly showing the old shed she had there in the passageway. Could be wrong. I am trying to picture it as it was!!I think it was taken from the back garden looking towards No 7.
The colour photo is of the 1960's conversion of the outside loo to indoors of 9 Derwent and shot from No 7 with the ferns in the foreground. The rather rotten piece of wood to the right of the picture is all that's left of the fence between the houses.